What can you do on stock heads, stock cams, greddy twins and a built short block?

[stormcrow]

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560whp in shootout mode on a DynoDynamics... C18 can truly change a beast into an outright monster...

the platform:

- built short block with eagle rods and arias ED pistons
- stock heads and cams
- UTEC
- 550cc injectors
- CJM stage 2 return fuel system
- CJM fuel rails
- Walbro pump
- Greddy twins (original kit, no upgrades)

after much adieu, i decided to try a race fuel map... 484whp (DD STD) was a blast, but of course, i wanted to try more... the result was 560whp and 570tq on DD STD... somehow, my car has become the "guinea pig" for a hybrid build... most not only build the short block, but have cams, valves and/or headwork done during the build... i opted to try and keep things as OEM as possible in the long block... granted this reduces power output, but i think we're getting a good idea of what can truly be done on the VQ without touching the heads in any fashion...

i have plans to have the car dynoed on a DynoJet come the 30th... i'm of the mindset that this will easily be a 600whp car on the DJ...

thanks, again, sharif for satiating my need for speed!

[Chops]

Good googlie goo!

Not much traction until about 70mph, huh?

[NJlakeshoreG]

awesome numbers man...i wanna c a vid of an animal! lets hear it!!

[Greatwars]

wait, my saliva just kep dropping and i need to wipe it out first,.....

[Socoj2]

whats your stroke length? i wanna do some math.

[w0ady]

congrats jeremy! getting her ready for zdayz 08 lol. looks like you're making 90% of your power by 4500rpm damn.

[Roncfpz]

Very nice work Jeremy & Sharif. Those are encouraging numbers to see. I'm also on stock heads and cams and my goal with the new trans is 550whp. Looks doable.

[bambam26]

Can someone please tell me the career path I am suppose to be taking. I am not hating but, will ya'll send me a envelope filled with some luck... And a job application

:hey:

[NJlakeshoreG]

lol....i hear ya bam...i think they drive taxi service for yellow cab company...

[1hotredg35]

DAMN thats some nice number!!!! What psi? what octane?

[ATL_Red_G35]

that's great Jeremy...I'm eager for a ride soon :)

[vg11]

how much did it cost to get that much power ?

[bambam26]

Your G's price and the mods on it.. J/k I am just jealous....

[sharif@forged]

C18 Race fuel, and 18psi of boost pressure at redline, according to the dyno data aquisition system. I would definately expect 600whp+ if tested on a dynojet.

[DieselNuts]

how much did it cost to get that much power ?

Honestly, you really dont want to know. It will make you sick...

[DirtyMechanic]

whats your stroke length? i wanna do some math.

stock stroke. it didnt get a new stroker crank. just eagle rods and our Extreme duty Arias pistons.
how much did it cost to get that much power ?

Honestly, you really dont want to know. It will make you sick...

umm.... jeremy you can divulge this

[DirtyMechanic]

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560whp in shootout mode on a DynoDynamics... C18 can truly change a beast into an outright monster...

the platform:

- built short block with eagle rods and arias ED pistons
- stock heads and cams
- UTEC
- 550cc injectors
- CJM stage 2 return fuel system
- CJM fuel rails
- Walbro pump
- Greddy twins (original kit, no upgrades)

after much adieu, i decided to try a race fuel map... 484whp (DD STD) was a blast, but of course, i wanted to try more... the result was 560whp and 570tq on DD STD... somehow, my car has become the "guinea pig" for a hybrid build... most not only build the short block, but have cams, valves and/or headwork done during the build... i opted to try and keep things as OEM as possible in the long block... granted this reduces power output, but i think we're getting a good idea of what can truly be done on the VQ without touching the heads in any fashion...

i have plans to have the car dynoed on a DynoJet come the 30th... i'm of the mindset that this will easily be a 600whp car on the DJ...

thanks, again, sharif for satiating my need for speed!


:sign23: do you got float your ego a little more. or just trying to make up for something? lol

[AuburnZ]

I think with that much power, you definately need a BBK.

:nike:

[Gilley]

Excellent work Jeremy, Sharif and crew. Now just keep power steering fluid in it and you'll do well. And a BBK will be a nice addition now.

[stormcrow]

Good googlie goo!

Not much traction until about 70mph, huh?

don't know yet...but, i'm wagering not! *haha*

whats your stroke length? i wanna do some math.

i stroke about 2"... but, the girl don't mind... :-D

congrats jeremy! getting her ready for zdayz 08 lol. looks like you're making 90% of your power by 4500rpm damn.

570tq @ 4250! that's the part i like! :)

Can someone please tell me the career path I am suppose to be taking. I am not hating but, will ya'll send me a envelope filled with some luck... And a job application

:hey:

Information Technology FTW!!

DAMN thats some nice number!!!! What psi? what octane?

18psi ... 118 octane

how much did it cost to get that much power ?

so far, a bit over 22k... :(

:sign23: do you got float your ego a little more. or just trying to make up for something? lol

nope! just trying to get the word out that you don't *need* heads/cams to make big power... if you're willing to pay for C18, that is... ;)

Excellent work Jeremy, Sharif and crew. Now just keep power steering fluid in it and you'll do well. And a BBK will be a nice addition now.

call that dude at Rotora! tell him to hook up a beast with a set of 15"s! :)

[Socoj2]

you should have went to 75.999 mm Stroke and increased the bore.

[DirtyMechanic]

you should have went to 75.999 mm Stroke and increased the bore.

i dont think you people realize in order to change the stroke you have to change the crank or do some big timer pricey machining then get custom rods for the smaller rod journal.

and whats the point of lowering the stroke and having a bigger bore?

[Socoj2]

at 75 he could have a 10k redline. Would also give him higher horse power, with less boost. in exchange for slightly less torque.

[sharif@forged]

at 75 he could have a 10k redline. Would also give him higher horse power, with less boost. in exchange for slightly less torque.
I am not where you are getting this information, but its not quite right. :) This was a "basic" FP StageI shortblock. There are other options, but this is the one for THIS customer. :)

[Socoj2]

What information is not quite Right?

[sharif@forged]

What information is not quite Right?

81.4mm is the stock stroke. If we destroked we would at minimum, a custom crankshaft, a custom piston with a lower wrist pin location. Second, we would need to overbore the cylinders significantly, which we can't do without sleeving the block. And even after all that, we still would not see anymore power up at the top end, without a massive turbocharger upgrade...not to mention, did you calculate piston speeds and wrist pin loads in order to determine if the engine would rev to 10,000rpm safely without tearing itself apart? And of course, a suitable valve train. I guess, what I am saying, is there is much more involved, with negligable benifts with the turbo systems we are running on this car. :)

Anything is possible with these engines...for sure..but its never as easy as it looks.

[Greatwars]

81.4mm is the stock stroke. If we destroked we would at minimum, a custom crankshaft, a custom piston with a lower wrist pin location. Second, we would need to overbore the cylinders significantly, which we can't do without sleeving the block. And even after all that, we still would not see anymore power up at the top end, without a massive turbocharger upgrade...not to mention, did you calculate piston speeds and wrist pin loads in order to determine if the engine would rev to 10,000rpm safely without tearing itself apart? And of course, a suitable valve train. I guess, what I am saying, is there is much more involved, with negligable benifts with the turbo systems we are running on this car. :)

Anything is possible with these engines...for sure..but its never as easy as it looks.


I guess there is only 1 way to know if it would rev safely to 10,000....



Do it on yours and keep us update! :icon16:

[DirtyMechanic]

I guess there is only 1 way to know if it would rev safely to 10,000....



Do it on yours and keep us update! :icon16:

its all a waste of money. you can get so much more power across the power band for cheaper if you keep it stock stroke and bore. heads and cams and more boost works real well for hundreds of people that are boosted now.

[stormcrow]

what's all this speak on strokin'? i've already told you all, i only stroke 2 inches... :party39:

[DirtyMechanic]

what's all this speak on strokin'? i've already told you all, i only stroke 2 inches... :party39:

I'm sorry.

[Balz]

Holy crap...that's fanastic

[Brando]

what's all this speak on strokin'? i've already told you all, i only stroke 2 inches... :party39:

That's what she told me......

You could try those pills they sell on tv.

[stormcrow]

That's what she told me......

You could try those pills they sell on tv.


already done! how do you think i was able to get to two?!

[sharif@forged]

I just finishing giving Stormcrow a ride with the race calibration...he nearly shat himself. :) LOL...na he was cool as a cumcumber, but he couldnt hide that smile.

[stormcrow]

I just finishing giving Stormcrow a ride with the race calibration...he nearly shat himself. :) LOL...na he was cool as a cumcumber, but he couldnt hide that smile.

that's how i stay under stress... but, i think i have some of the passenger seat leather in my azz crack... ;)

[Greatwars]

already done! how do you think i was able to get to two?!

It seems that the current trend is the smaller is better...like ipod.... so you are on right track....keep it up....you actually made mistake bymaking it bigger

[__jb]

I just finishing giving Stormcrow a ride with the race calibration...he nearly shat himself. :) LOL...na he was cool as a cumcumber, but he couldnt hide that smile.that's how i stay under stress... but, i think i have some of the passenger seat leather in my azz crack... ;)Was that ride in Sharif's Z or your Z?

[sharif@forged]

Was that ride in Sharif's Z or your Z?

It was Stormcrow's after, after tuning with C18 race fuel.

[stormcrow]

Was that ride in Sharif's Z or your Z?


my own... first time i've ever been a passenger in it... :)

[stormcrow]

It seems that the current trend is the smaller is better...like ipod.... so you are on right track....keep it up....you actually made mistake bymaking it bigger

oh, i would... but, i did it for the laaaaaaaaaayyyydiiees... ;)

[DieselNuts]

So, let me get this straight. You have 560hp on the heartbreaker but still run factory non-brembo brakes.....







































Im just jelous ; )

[stormcrow]

So, let me get this straight. You have 560hp on the heartbreaker but still run factory non-brembo brakes.....

im just jelous ; )

stoptech stage 2 upgrade FTW!!

[DieselNuts]

stoptech stage 2 upgrade FTW!!

NICE!

Ill trade you my brakes setup for you engine setup....:all_cohol

[Brando]

my own... first time i've ever been a passenger in it... :)

Anytime you want to be a passenger again......I'll be happy to drive!!!! :icecream:

[DirtyMechanic]

So, let me get this straight. You have 560hp on the heartbreaker but still run factory non-brembo brakes.....







































Im just jelous ; )

Yeah stupid i know... Jeremy:Voskl1: :Voskl1: :Voskl1: ......lol

stoptech stage 2 upgrade FTW!!

HA ill believe it when i see the come in off the truck. lol

[stormcrow]

Anytime you want to be a passenger again......I'll be happy to drive!!!! :icecream:

you can drive it any time you like, t!

[stormcrow]

Yeah stupid i know... Jeremy:Voskl1: :Voskl1: :Voskl1: ......lol



HA ill believe it when i see the come in off the truck. lol

dingleberry, where you been? the stoptech stage 2 has been on there for a while... DUH!

[DirtyMechanic]

dingleberry, where you been? the stoptech stage 2 has been on there for a while... DUH!

oh yeah umm stage 2 whatever you need BBK.

[stormcrow]

oh yeah umm stage 2 whatever you need BBK.

already ordered... i worked out a deal with sharif where you don't get a pay check until it's paid for... i.e.: you're working for my BBK... :box:

[Gumpdriver]

J you sux, j/k you really need the extra stopping power now.

Hey can you look up a place in the A where I can get my fenders cut or rolled....

PLEASE:grinyes:

[ATL_Red_G35]

already ordered... i worked out a deal with sharif where you don't get a pay check until it's paid for... i.e.: you're working for my BBK... :box:



hahahahha....which brakes did you get J?

[stormcrow]

J you sux, j/k you really need the extra stopping power now.

Hey can you look up a place in the A where I can get my fenders cut or rolled....

PLEASE:grinyes:

i'll try to find a place... i have a few sources for some good aftermarket work like that, so i'll be in touch... :)

[stormcrow]

hahahahha....which brakes did you get J?

i was just messing with michael, bro... *haha* my brakes are just fine... you guys act like i take it to 160 all the time... *haha*

[sharif@forged]

i'll try to find a place... i have a few sources for some good aftermarket work like that, so i'll be in touch... :)

Did you forget that we do that in-house? :)

[Gumpdriver]

Did you forget that we do that in-house? :)

Ahh sorry Bro I did not know you were into doing body modding also....:fight13:

[stormcrow]

Did you forget that we do that in-house? :)

uhhh...you gotta *know* something before you can forget it! :scrwy:

you never told me that you did cutting or rolling of fenders...

[__jb]

Did you forget that we do that in-house? :)Ahh sorry Bro I did not know you were into doing body modding also....:fight13:uhhh...you gotta *know* something before you can forget it! :scrwy:

you never told me that you did cutting or rolling of fenders...I believe Sharif is a shaver, not a roller...
:colors:

[sharif@forged]

I believe Sharif is a shaver, not a roller...
:colors:

We shave OR roll, depending on the setup. :) Mine are shaved...for the record..haha.

[DieselNuts]

Mine are shaved...for the record..haha.

too much info sharif!

[Rogue350z]

too much info sharif!

:lol: :happy45:

[DirtyMechanic]

already ordered... i worked out a deal with sharif where you don't get a pay check until it's paid for... i.e.: you're working for my BBK... :box:

OH yeah the AP 6/4 for me yeah your right sharif and i did come to a conculsion on that. lol

J you sux, j/k you really need the extra stopping power now.

Hey can you look up a place in the A where I can get my fenders cut or rolled....

PLEASE:grinyes:

Chris is the fender roller at this house. Just did one today.

hahahahha....which brakes did you get J?

HE didnt get any. Hes a puss.lol just playin...

i was just messing with michael, bro... *haha* my brakes are just fine... you guys act like i take it to 160 all the time... *haha*

your right its not 160 speed limiter pwns. its more like 140 right? coming off of 400 at exit 11 cough cough when you first got your car back cough cough wink wink...

We shave OR roll, depending on the setup. :) Mine are shaved...for the record..haha.

too much info sharif!


Dude honestly.... dude.... come on man I work with you I rrreeeaaaalllllyyyyy dont need to know that kind of stuff.

[DieselNuts]

Dude honestly.... dude.... come on man I work with you I rrreeeaaaalllllyyyyy dont need to know that kind of stuff.

But thats how the ladies like it. These things should just go assumed...

[Greatwars]

Dude honestly.... dude.... come on man I work with you I rrreeeaaaalllllyyyyy dont need to know that kind of stuff.

wow... your guys relationship there ......must be no secret.....:bootysha:

[DirtyMechanic]

But thats how the ladies like it. These things should just go assumed...

wow... your guys relationship there ......must be no secret.....:bootysha:

well yeah its like a given unspoken word. no need to say it out loud.

[__jb]

Geez, try to be helpful...

[sharif@forged]

too much info sharif!

I swear, I wasnt even thinking that...haha!